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Diddy bow · Feb 03, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

It is an OPINION.

When will people learn that there is no such thing as a "right" and a "wrong" opinion?

I hate these threads about inscriptions. They never get anything accomplished. Everybody is stubborn and commited to their side of the arguement. No one really changes their mind about this.

It always ends up being:
"No I'm right."
"No you're wrong, I'm right."
"Your a noob, GTFO noob, I'm right."
"No I AM, get out rich snobish guy."
"Quiet poor smooch"
"I'm right!"

etc etc etc.

There is no right or wrong. There are positives and negatives to both arguements. The point of a thread should be to discuss both the positives and the negatives so people can understand each other's points of view. Not preach about your "correctness."

Gonna lay a big fat QFT on that one. Its not "better" to do one or the other, some people want it one way some people want it another, and i think its to big a split to bother annoying so many people just so you can use the +19 hexed longsword you got in HM.

Shai Lee · Feb 04, 2008, 10:14 AM // 10:14

/not signed

For the following reasons:
- I like both inscript/non-inscript weapons
- I like variety and choices (ie if I want to farm in a place for inscript I can / if I want to farm in a place that has no inscript I can) Either way, it's my decision
- Nightfall already has inscript (with Tyria/Cantha skins that drop too) so I don't see why other locations should/need to follow suit, since I like the option to farm and look for nice modded things that drop non-inscript. (I just happen to think it's fun to find the non-inscriptable stuff, whether it's nostalgia or what have you, that is what I enjoy) For me, it's kind of like walking bare foot on the beach and looking for sand dollars. Sure I'll find lots of other pretty or imperfect shells that I'll take home, but nothing makes me smile and feel happier than finding my own sand dollar. Not something I buy from someone else, not something I show off to others, it's just something that I personally feel good about finding on my own. Something that makes me happy.
- There are collectors for those that don't want to spend lots on an item (now that GWEN has come about, there is a better selection of nice inscript skins)(also there are the BMP skins, which are really nice)

Obviously Anet can't make everyone happy with how people think things should be, but at least they give us options and give us the freedom to make whatever choices we personally enjoy in the game. Right now I have the option to going to certain places to farm inscript or non-inscript weapons. I also have the option to go where ectos drop, shards drop, other gems drop. If I feel like farming for a certain object, I know where to go and what areas not to go.

Saying that Tyria and Cantha should go inscrip is like saying Nightfall and GWEN should never have gone inscript. Let's just be happy that we have options in the game that accomodate everyone, in some way.

CHannum · Feb 04, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

I'd go further and say that every mode should be inscription only if for no other reason than the BMP. If you've only got Prophecies and/or Factions, the value of the BMP is next to zero. No inscriptions to mod the reward weapons and you've got something guaranteed less useful than any perfect damage white.

MithranArkanere · Feb 05, 2008, 02:30 AM // 02:30

That's another one. Without inscriptions traders, or wating a lot of time trading it's almost impossible to Prophecies/Factions players to get those inscriptions.

Specially if the inscription you are looking for is one that people usually discard and never sell.

How do you buy something that no-one sells?

Yawgmoth · Feb 05, 2008, 06:29 AM // 06:29

That's why they should add a centralized trading system, like the Xunlai Market thing, accessible to people from all campagins.
Or just a mod/inscription trader NPC, but that has the negative aspect of having the prices of almost every mod hit the lowest possible price.

Shai Lee · Feb 05, 2008, 08:50 AM // 08:50

@MithranArkanere

If you can't find something you need from someone else, you just go out and get it yourself. This holds true for any item and any campaign. If someone wants a zodiac item and no one is selling, then they can put in the time to play the factions campaign and get to Urgoz, figure out a build for their character and play with others and hope that the item they're looking for drops. If they want a certain inscription and no one is selling it, then they need to buy Nightfall and try to find it themselves.

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This isn't about denying anything from anyone. Each player can make their own decision of what they like and what they want to do to get that. They can decide to be patient and wait until someone sells what they need (which drops in another campaign) or they can go to the store and buy the campaign and learn how to get it themselves. If they don't want to get the campaign in order to find something they want, it's not the fault of others who've made the decision already and have access to that type of content.

MithranArkanere · Feb 05, 2008, 02:27 PM // 14:27

It just takes too much time the way it is. That's why trading is needed, but it's too slow like now.

Even having both types of drops at the same time would be better than having a huge part of the game dropping one kind and the rest the other.

HawkofStorms · Feb 05, 2008, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

It just takes too much time the way it is. That's why trading is needed, but it's too slow like now.

Even having both types of drops at the same time would be better than having a huge part of the game dropping one kind and the rest the other.

Then how did I get my Emerald Edge even though I don't own GW:EN? Oh, that's right, I sat in a trading town, put WTB on party search, and watched tv for 20 miniutes until I heard that "ping" sound telling me I had a whisper.

R.Shayne · Feb 05, 2008, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Other then Celestial items, is there anything else that doesn't drop with inscription slots (Please don’t include the Z- Chest)?

MirkoTeran · Feb 05, 2008, 07:02 PM // 19:02

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

Other then Celestial items, is there anything else that doesn't drop with inscription slots (Please don’t include the Z- Chest)?

Celestial items drop from FoW and UW end-chests. The probably drop from Urgoz/Deep end-chests also.

Ctb · Feb 05, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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When will people learn that there is no such thing as a "right" and a "wrong" opinion?

While it doesn't apply here, you can hold an opinion on an objective matter and be objectively wrong. You always have the right to an opinion, but your opinion is not necessarily always right.

On this subjective matter though, my personal preference is having a mix of inscribable and non-inscribable. I like variation.

AshenX · Feb 05, 2008, 07:52 PM // 19:52

When I started this thread amongst my primary concerns was the fact that some skins that arent really that rare in the game (jade and gothic swords for eaxample) have had the asking price for inscribable versions massively inflated compared to other skins of similar lack of rarity because there are so few places to get them.

Variety is fine but the decision by Anet to create a situation where a very small selection of item skins become arbitrarily very rare. I know that you can get them in the Deep (I have) and in Urgoz (again I have) but there is no real in game justification why, suddenly, perfect Fellblades are easier to come by than similar Gothics or Jades.

I know htat life is not fair but it does seem to me that an arbitrary decision by the developers to essentially leave some weapon skins behind (while upgrading others) when they introduced a new aspect of the game is enequitable. Including a very small window of opportunity to bypass the restrictions on certain skins does not balance the scale.

Diddy bow · Feb 05, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

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Originally Posted by R.Shayne

Other then Celestial items, is there anything else that doesn't drop with inscription slots (Please don’t include the Z- Chest)?

They do but...
Echovald shield
Gothic Defender
Outcast shield
Outcast staff?
Bo staff?

All have yet to be seen, even from z-chest

paganjoe · Feb 06, 2008, 04:09 AM // 04:09

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Originally Posted by Anduin

As you can take insrciptions off of otherwise useless items and use them to make useful items, it actually makes something that was once worthless of worth.

Think outside the box, and not just your narrowed vision.

Well, I'll look outside the box. Think about this... anyone that understands marketing would understand that investing time in revamping weapons, mods, ect. in an old campaign is not in Anet's best interests. Offering better items, skills, new playable content, ect. is all part of their marketing scheme to drive sales of their new products. Prophecies and Factions are now like an old toy, shoved in the back of the closet, forgotten.

MithranArkanere · Feb 06, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

Yet they are still bought.

Some poeple that are given Nightfall as a git may buy Pophecies and Factions alter on.

Forgetting about old content ins one of the worst mistakes you could make.
Retraoactivity is much better and more important that simply new content.

Imagine if you could not learn Prophecies skills with Nightfall characters... or not being able to get armor in Prophecies with a new character or things like those or not being able to bring ew character to old campaigns.
It's a single game, and issues like this one only separate it. "Prophecies is Prophecies and Nightfall is Nightfall" yeah, Prophecies have no Heroes and Nightfall has not free secondary proffesions or useless weapons you will trash right after getting them (with a couple of exceptions) as quest rewards. If you find a better way to do something, the normal thing to do it's to apply it everywhere it's possible to.

They made the insignia change. Why not this one? Too much time, effort? Impossible to be done? Why not an inscribber NPC? Impossible too? Market is not the reason, we know that. The most 'rare' and valuable skins can all be found inscribed already. So it's not that.

Retroactivity is what Guild Wars lack more, and I hope that do not fall in the same mistake in GW2.

Yawgmoth · Feb 07, 2008, 05:51 AM // 05:51

This is one of the cases where retroactivity sucks bigtime. It's not like upgrading armors in older campagins to be fully upgradable, that thing was a great improvement that helped everyone. Crafted armor pieces were never a part of economy, there was never any rarity and prestige to them connected to their stats, so this change didn't make anyone's cool expensive armors worth less, it didn't make a vanity armor with 'perfect' mods 10-100x easier to get.
Nerfing the old campagins' drop systems would do exactly that - make some rare prestigeous vanity items possible to be obtained with perfect stats at close to no effort, making them stop being rare prestigeous vanity items but instead turning into more cheap overabundant overfarmed common inscribable crap we already got tons of in Nightfall / EotN. Some people (like me) enjoy playing Prophecies/Factions/FoW/UW more than Nightfall and don't want their favorite games to be made worse, their cool drops nerfed.

The fact most Proph/Factions/UW/FoW weapons already have inscribable versions only doesn't mean they're already lost, worthless, overfarmed, etc. Their inscribable versions are rare, they were made into special rewards for Elite Instances End Chests and PvP rewards in Zaishen and HoH Chests. That makes sense.
If those special rewards weren't inscribable they would be the same things farmers/chestrunners can already produce in massive quantities thanks to HardMode. They wouldn't be worth it.
If it was the other way - every single mob or common chest was dropping them inscribable, those special rewards wouldn't be any special, they would be all like, oh, getting a Nightfall skin from Zaishen Chest (merch).

The current system where a 'farmer' can can get good stuff given enough dedication, and without destroying the reward for the 'achiever' works very fine. Changing it wouldn't do any good for anyone, except for the lazy jealous crybabies who want everything handed to them on a silver platter.

Example: I spent a couple hours farming Celestial items in Hard Mode earlier this week, got 6 Celestial Swords, 4 went to the merch, one was req.9 +15/-10 instantly sold for 10k, and one was req.10 +15^50 (with a +30hp on it as a nice bonus) that i kept.
Now oh boy how I would hate if all those were inscribables. There would be no hope for a great drop, all of them equal and very common, best possible drop would just a mod... Found a 15^50? gratz +1k for inscription... The whole fun of hunting for rarities removed from the game. The skin itself would be worthless instead of mid-range, it would be just another Dead Sword. And a winner getting one in HoH would hate this more than another Ethereal Garment... Suckage for everyone.

Please don't nerf my old fav games.

Hyper Cutter · Feb 07, 2008, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth

Nerfing the old campagins' drop systems would do exactly that - make some rare prestigeous vanity items possible to be obtained with perfect stats at close to no effort,

What's this "close to no effort" shit? Unless Anet changes the drop rates, rare skins will drop at the same rate they always did. You still have to try to get a rare skin, or at least get lucky.

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Changing it wouldn't do any good for anyone, except for the lazy jealous crybabies who want everything handed to them on a silver platter.

Or maybe people just want what they get to actually be worth using (especially caster weapons!). Oh, and nice straw man, btw.

Also, I'll point out that inscriptions are CORE and have been since Nightfall's release.

Kanyatta · Feb 07, 2008, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by Hyper Cutter

Also, I'll point out that inscriptions are CORE and have been since Nightfall's release.

Though that may be true, pre-inscriptions, the weapons market was a lot more stable. Now, perfect weapons (barring the skins that don't drop w/inscriptions) have dropped so far, there's no way for the economy to be returned to it's original state. Inscriptions ruined the weapons market, no 2 ways about it, now, since perfection is so easily attained through inscriptions, the green market (which had perfect inherent mods standard) has gone down so far. I remember when Kanaxai's Edge was worth 100k + 10 ectos. Now, it's only worth about 20~25k because perfection is so easily attained through inscriptions on normal items. I'd rather not see the market get it's ass kicked even more than it already has. If this idea is implemented, greens will take about a 50% price-point hit.

Everyone that /signs this, is probably poor, otherwise there's no reason for it.

MithranArkanere · Feb 08, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Oh, no.

It was not inscriptions.
The problem with the market is speed.

With the old system drops where so bad that only the more rare would worth of being sold.

Since the current dop system is better, but the selling system is still slow, it is not worth spend 2 hours to sell something 10..25k worth.

It's not inscriptions what is wrong. The inscriptions are just fine. We just need something along the lines of the Xunlai Market gossip.

RavagerOfDreams · Feb 08, 2008, 03:06 AM // 03:06

no it was the inscriptions...economy was fine w/o market until...